19th March
written by Todd Harrison
This is Part 4. You may want to read (part1), (part2) & (part3) first.
I’m trying something new. This posting will be a video blog posting. All the content is in the video. I’m limited to 15 minute videos on YouTube so I had to split the content into two clips (1a & 1b).
It is be kind of a trouble shooting tutorial slash what am I trying next video. I will also post some photos and links as normal but let me know if you like the video format better. I know the camera and sound sucks but I have to use the equipment I have which is a 15 year old Sony digital 8 Handycam with built-in mic. Sad I know.
After the videos are some oscilloscope screen shots of some test points and what they mean.
(oscilloscope screen shots
yellow trace: ch1 (+ test point)
blue trace: ch2 (ground plane at rectifier)
red trace: (ch1 – ch2)
((This first screen shot is the signal across the bridge rectifier showing full rectification as the 152v peek-to-peek (20v to 172v) pulsing DC red trace. The math is displayed on the right for the red trace. I disconnected the bridge rectifier from the circuit so no filter caps are present to smooth out the dc pulses.))

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((Same but with ch1 and ch2 hidden.))
((Below shows the bridge rectifier has been connected to the circuit so the large smoothing cap has removed the pulses on the red trace leaving just the 170v DC signal which is used by the motor only.))
((Same but with ch1 and ch2 hidden.))
((Below is the half-wave rectified signal at the bridge rectifier for the power to the chips. Once again it is not connected to the circuit so no inline attenuating resistors or soothing caps yet so we see 176v peek-to-peek DC pulses (~0v to ~176v DC pulses). Being this is half-wave rectified the math averages the DC pules to 56.2v for Mean DC.))
((Below screen shot is with the rectifier in the circuit but still probing at the rectifier. This is half-wave rectification still because Ch1 “yellow” is still connect to what is the common leg of the 120v AC going to the bridge rectifier.  The scope reads this point as chassis ground. This is the point that is used to feed the half-wave rectification power to the IC’s.))
((In the next screen shot the ch1 probe “yellow” has been moved to the Vcc of one of the ICs. This test point is after a 1.8k 4watt inline voltage attenuating resistor and some smoothing caps. That is why you don’t see the half-wave pulses anymore and why the math is showing 16.3 volts DC as the red trace. There is a lot of ripple (8.00v peek-to-peek) riding on this 16.3v DC signal per the math on the right. ))
This calculated 8v ripple could be causing me some issues but really I think this is just noise that the chassis of the scope is picking up from the mains and is not really part of the voltage signals at the ICs. I might have been able to turn on my bandwidth limit on my scope and removed the noise if it really was just high frequency noise. It is hard to tell when using two probes in differencing mode and at such high line voltages.
In the up coming (part 5) I will be powering just the ICs side of the circuit with a bench power supply at ~16v to see if a cleaner signal fixes the problem. But if not it will give me the freedom to safely probe about the board while I track down the problem. I’m glad I only do this for fun. I would starve to death if my paycheck relied on my ability to fix powers supplies. Ha.

Just posted part 5.



  1. LightningEngineer

    Hey Todd,

    Have you checked to see if the current sense resistor is properly connected and the correct value? I actually had a problem like this today where my Current Sense was not connected properly and it only allowed 30mA to pass but I tried a simple wire to jump it and BAM! All is dandy again. My setup however had a max of about 400mA so I would not suggest a wire just that you check it.

    Thats my 2 cents, I’m really interested to find out the actual problem here!

    Lightning Engineer

  2. 21/03/2011

    @Lightning, I have checked the current sense resistor. It’s hard to miss being it’s a 1.5 inch long strap of stainless steel marked 0.022 homes. But the current sense is the part I’m focusing on now being it may have something to do with the base freq the PWM runs at on startup. I didn’t think it would matter much about the current sense until after the motor is running and the feed back is important to manage the power under load. But looking at the data sheet and the strange way they have implemented this PWM a defect at the current sense pin could be an issue. I should have more on this once I get time to look into it in detail.

  3. tsaavik

    Heya, thanks so much for the excellent content. I really like the videos combined with the scope shots!

    The tip on using the 2nd scope channel to read your circuit under test’s ground (and run it floating in respect to chassis ground of the scope) is really going to help me troubleshoot a circuit that has a triple virtual ground setup, never thought to use the math functions for that before! (/head bonk)

  4. 22/03/2011

    @tsaavik, Glad to help. I think I learn more from my views sometimes so it is nice to be able to return the favor.

  5. Ronnie

    @Todd, I’ve read a comment from EEVblog #70 that you have a TDS2012B scope you are using to troubleshoot the power supply. I also have this Tek scope (got it brand new) and have a question regarding contrast adjustment, when I adjust the contrast to 0% the display becomes white and when set to 100% it darkens the display, is this normal?

  6. 24/03/2011

    @Ronnie, Must be normal. Mine does the same. I can still see the screen at 0% and 100% but 90% seems to be the best setting for me.

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